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Episode Transcript

Ryann

Hello, everybody. I have Kylie here and I’m so excited. I was just telling her, I feel like I know her because I’ve seen so many of her TikToks and I’m sure that you guys have seen so many of her TikToks too. She is the queen of playing out what I wish I could have seen when I was struggling with binge eating and being like, oh my God, those were the behaviors that I totally used to do, but just seeing it on a video and being like wow like thank you so much for normalizing this oh i’m just so excited to be able to have her here to share her full story because i know that you have probably shared snippets here and there but i’m ready for like a long form version as i’m sure you guys are as well so kylie thank you so much for taking the time to hop on and give us the tea and the back-end stuff of your whole story

Kylee

Yes, thank you so much Ryann. I feel so happy to be here and I’m excited to jump into this and just thank you for that super sweet introduction. I really appreciate it.

Ryann

Of course. So let’s just go ahead and start from the beginning like – When do you remember either being hyper focused on food or maybe even feeling like your body was wrong?

Kylee

I would say it started in high school for me when everything started to kind of get out of control. I’m just being totally open. I ended up getting out of a relationship in high school and that completely shifted things for me. And that’s when everything started changing. I was like, I’m going to get really into working out. I’m going to get really into eating healthy, all of these different things. And it started off very innocent. Like I was just like, I’m gonna start this, I’m gonna do this. And then I started seeing my body change, like pretty quickly because I just didn’t do any of those things before. And I was like, oh my goodness, like I’m doing this, what if I do a little bit more? And then it became a little bit more.

And then I got really into counting calories. I remember MyFitnessPal, that’s when everything kind of started spiraling. I saw the number on there and then I was like if I’m already losing this much let me just keep doing less and less and less and it became such an obsession and it took over everything. That’s all my focus was on. I got obsessive with stepping on the scale like so many times in a day, becoming very out of control but again from that and then other things in my life it was just this escape and I didn’t know that at the time, you know, I was like trying to focus on other things and it took over literally everything. So honestly, that’s really when it first started was in high school when I got really obsessive with things.

Ryann

I relate so much to you saying doing more and more that game element of being like, oh my gosh, this really isn’t that hard. And I’m getting all of this positive reinforcement, like what else could I do and not hide from it? 

Kylee

Yes. Oh, it’s so strong. And you just want more. And then it’s the fear of what if I end up gaining the weight back?

Ryann

Right.

Kylee

Is everyone going to think of me different? And then it’s like all these different fears come in and it’s really overwhelming.

Ryann

When you were going through this, did you get any comments from other people of concern? Or was it just positive? You’re being so healthy or you look amazing?

Kylee

It was definitely a mixture. Like people that I wasn’t super close with more so gave me compliments. People that I was really close with, like my mom, saw me being very obsessive, like stepping on the scale so much and running so much and just doing all these things. She said something to me and then also my friend in high school. She got really concerned because again I went through that restrictive period being so obsessive and not eating enough and excessively working out and she said something to me and again in that time when I was restricting I didn’t think anything of it. I was like this is good this is what I should be doing and felt like I have so much willpower I’m so strong.

So yeah I had two people say something and they were concerned and other ones were more like compliments. And what was food and body like growing up in your home? Growing up in the home, I always gravitated towards food. I was young though. I remember just seeing such beautiful women on screen, honestly, and I was like, wow, I want to look like that. I want my body to look like that, like very innocently. Didn’t think much of it at the time. But then my mom and my grandma, they were always dieting. So it was just very normal for them to go on diets. And I heard my mom talking about her own body and beating herself up. She wouldn’t really wear swimsuits. I never saw my mom in a swimsuit. Like she wouldn’t do that. Like it’s just so sad. And I saw how much it impacts people’s lives. It takes things over. They’re not eating how they really want to with people. They’re not going to places. So yeah, at the time I didn’t think much of it, but now thinking back, I’m like, I did end up seeing these things and it was just like here and there. Like things that I saw from so many different places kind of, you know, got into my mind.

Ryann

Totally, and those subconscious messages that just like you said, it starts so innocently, but there’s all this fuel behind it. So how long was the restriction for you before the binges started?

Kylee

Honestly, I always think I’m like what was the exact timeline for everything but I would say it was about six months. From there, the pendulum swung and I was binging. I am so much the same. My restriction was very, very short. I did have that and then it swung in the other direction.

Ryann

Do you remember that first switch, like your first binge or was it just all of a sudden I was binging and that’s just how it was?

Kylee

I remember the first binge. It freaked me out so much. I remember coming back from like, it was like Memorial Day, I believe, and I was with others. There was grilling and I barely had anything to eat there because I was still trying to be really good and in control. And then I get back and, you know, I’m under-eating at this point. I get back and there’s this ice cream in the freezer and I see it and I’m really tempted. I’m really tempted. I never would have done this before but I randomly open it up and I start eating and I find myself unable to stop and I’m like what is going on but at the same time it felt so good. Like it was a very confusing experience and from that moment on I was like I need to be even in more control now. I’m just gonna eat less. I’m gonna work out harder. I’m gonna like to be really strict with it. But then it just kept going. It didn’t matter at that point.

Ryann

How long did that go on for you? And what was that binge phase like for you?

Kylee

The binge phase lasted so long. It lasted, I would say, the last year. So it’s like seven years total, but that last year was when everything was really kind of decreasing and feeling more in control. So it lasted about that length of time, to be honest. I had periods where I would go months, almost binging every day, and then I would have random periods, like, I’m okay. Like, I’m okay. I got it under control, and then it would come back, and I’m like, are you kidding me? Like, you would know, it was horrible. It was the darkest time of my life, like, struggling with those things. Sometimes if you don’t go through it, it’s really hard to understand. Just being completely honest, it was horrible. I wanted it to end so badly, but I for some reason couldn’t stop it either.

Ryann

What were the binges like for you?

Kylee

When I was really young, I struggled with dissociation. Like I would do that all the time and it felt like that. It felt like I was dissociating. I was blacking out. I was like in this zombie mode and I would kind of seek it at this point. There were periods where I was seeking after it when I at the same time didn’t want to do it at all. I was like, what is going on here? This is so confusing. But that’s how it felt, like completely numb out. I’m not even like real anymore. Like that’s kind of how it felt for me.

Ryann

Mm-hmm. And when did you realize that what you were doing was binging?

Kylee

That’s a really good question. I feel like I never fully thought about that, but I remember at one point doing it so consistently I would be in class in high school and I’m thinking about my binge later, like planning it because no one’s going to be home. And at that point, I’m like binging every time I get back home. I literally was like, something’s wrong with me. What is this? And I didn’t even have the correct term for it either. I just knew something was wrong. And then that’s when I started figuring out what it was because I got into a treatment center. But at first, I didn’t fully know what was even going on. I just felt like I was so out of control with food. I was the same. And I think part of that is because I know that we’re very similar in age where it wasn’t even talked about until 2013. So I know that I would Google it all the time, like, what am I doing? And nothing would come up. And I felt crazy. And I also felt like,

Ryann

Did you ever go to Overeaters Anonymous? Did you ever do that?

Kylee

I went one time. I went with my mom, actually. I feel like sometimes I think back to my story, I’m like, did I just forget a lot or did I black out my memory? Because I remember snippets of it, but it didn’t resonate with me when I went there.

Ryann

Me too. And I remember being like, okay, so there’s this group that is positioned around something that it sounds like I’m doing, but when I go into these groups, that’s not what I’m doing. And so, what, like, am I the only person on the planet that experiences this? And then I’m never going to do this again. Did you have that?

Kylee

Every time. I thought about that. Every time. I think that’s also a big part of why I almost kept having these binges because I’m like this is the last time it doesn’t matter I’m just gonna like eat all this food and then it happens again and I’m like this is the last time and then it creates this like such vicious cycle of this guilt and this shame I never could never stop it.

Ryann

When you were binging, what foods did you gravitate towards?

Kylee

Oh yeah it was always sweets I was like I am just I love sweets I still I still love sweets but not like how it felt during that time. That’s all I gravitated towards. Ice cream, cookies, cereal was a huge one. That was what we had in the house all the time and I’m not even eating it with milk though. I’m just eating it straight out of the box, you know. So that was a big one. It was always carbs, carbs, sugar, you know that type of thing.

Ryann

The snacky carbs, mine were the same. I would definitely have the salty sweet salty sweet and go back and forth or I would make these wild snack mixes with all these things that did not make sense. Pulling different things out of the pantry because God forbid anybody knew so like handful of crackers here like handful of gummies here but never my food.

Kylee

Right, no it’s so true. I remember one time I literally took pudding mix and I just mixed it up. It’s not even like putting it in and I’m just like spooning it into my mouth and dry hot chocolate packets. And I hope this isn’t triggering to say on here, but I just was doing these like strange things and it wasn’t even that enjoyable to be eating it.

Ryann

I appreciate you saying that. I think one of the biggest misconceptions about binge eating is that it’s that you love food. And I’m like, no, but you don’t understand. I would eat raw English muffins like untoasted just English muffins or tortillas or yes real until the top of my mouth was bleeding because it was raw like no I did I taste it. Absolutely. It was not about pleasure. It was not about enjoyment. It was just about getting so full

Kylee

Exactly. It is so wild when I think back. I’m like, oh my goodness, I just, that feeling was horrible. But what about the excitement piece that you said earlier? Because that’s a huge part of it. I always tell my clients, you know, if you weren’t getting anything out of it, you wouldn’t repeat it. And I think that that piece is talked about a lot, like the high high before the low low.

Ryann

Oh yeah, it’s so exciting.

Kylee

It’s very thrilling and I would look forward to it. That’s why I would be at school and I’m planning it. I’m literally planning binges. I remember like no one would be home and I would be like, oh, this is perfect. And I would like to run to Walmart or something. I would get a ton of food, come back and plan to do it, even though I know how I feel afterwards because it is exciting. Like I’m gonna, I’m gonna feel nothing. I don’t know. Like I’m just like not gonna feel anything and I want to feel that I’m just, I’m running away from all of these different feelings and emotions that are showing up. So it was, and that was so hard to move away from. What else is exciting for me? Because food is all the way at the top right now.

Ryann

Oh my gosh, yeah. Did you live at home or with your family throughout these seven years?

Kylee

Yeah, I lived for a while at my parents’ house and then I went to college, and I was still struggling there. I was like, I’m not gonna binge anymore when I’m living with other people, and then I’m taking other people’s foods and then eating it and then going out and buying new ones so they don’t know I stole their food because I told them I was gonna steal. Like, what am I, like, honestly, it was the most shameful experience. I’m like, what did I just do? Did something just take over me and I’m eating my roommate’s food? That’s scary to me, but it’s so real. It happens. And then after that I moved back to my parents and it started to get worse again. Like just being in that house I think, because that’s really when everything started to. And then I ended up getting in a healthy relationship and I lived with his family and that’s when everything changed.

Ryann

Okay, did he know at the time? Did anybody know at the time that you were struggling? Let’s start with that.

Kylee

My mom was the first person who fully knew because I told her I was so scared. I was like, I can’t keep doing this. I’m scared. I’m just gonna do this for the rest of my life. And what is that gonna, what’s gonna happen? And I ended up telling her and I’m like, I need help. And I also didn’t want to tell her because I had the feeling that she would be hyper aware of like, no, look at all the food that’s gone. Kylie’s eating all this food and just being on me and it scared me but at the same time I know I needed help and then from there I started opening up more to other people like my friends started to know. I trusted only the close people in my life like nobody outside of my inner circle really knew about it.

Ryann

How did you tell your mom? Do you remember what you said?

Kylee

No I don’t fully remember what I said but I remember like bawling my eyes out because it just kept happening over and over and I think I just was telling her like mom I need help I’m really out of control with food. And she didn’t fully know, like to this day, we’ve talked more about it and, you know, throughout all of this, and she’s more understanding about it. But still, it’s a confusing thing if you’ve never felt that way, because it’s like, what do you mean? What do you mean that you can’t stop? But that’s really what it is. You’re unable to stop. So that’s when she got me into a treatment center, which I’m very blessed to get into.

Ryann

Not to digress, but for anybody that doesn’t understand, that have never experienced it, with your personal experience plus with your education, how would you describe it to somebody that doesn’t understand?

Kylee 

I would say, honestly, it is like you start eating and you really aren’t able to stop, but it’s not directly related to the food. It’s related to something that you’re trying to almost escape from or seek pleasure from or trying to fill a need. It’s like these deeper things that we aren’t getting, and food is just filling this void pretty much and that’s kind of what is showing up. And again it’s just really hearing the person out because it sounds really confusing and sometimes when I hear it I try to think about someone else’s perspective and I’m like okay that’s fair I guess it would be kind of confusing but still no one would make this up. No one just would be like this would be fun to joke about and it’s really serious and it’s really harmful. So I feel like that didn’t fully answer the question correctly. It kind of went on a different tangent, but yeah I would say it’s more than just a food.

Ryann

 I feel like it’s extra hard because the word binge is so normalized now. Like I binge watch Netflix or I binge this or that it doesn’t seem like it is as, I mean the word that always comes up for me is violent. Like it doesn’t seem as violent as it is when it’s like, well I just watched a lot of Netflix isn’t it the same as just eating a lot of food? And it’s like, no. Not at all. Nope. That’s when people get confused for sure. So confused. Throughout this time, what about body image, weight fluctuations, that whole relationship? Like how did that play a role?

Kylee

Yeah, I was so preoccupied with my weight and what I looked like. Again, I got really, I got into a low weight. I really wanted to stay there. I felt like this is why I’m happy. This is what makes me happy. That’s really how I felt. And then, you know, naturally, I just started getting more weight because I also needed to. But it really got into my head. It was really, really hard seeing my weight go up. I was really into working out and I would just try to excessively still work out while I am binging and also I Hate myself, you know, I hate how my body looks being so mean to myself. I can’t even look in the mirror Well, also everything I did I was body checking every second anytime there was a mirror. It was horrible. That was something I was always preoccupied with as losing weight Throughout that whole time until that last year when I took things and I was like I can’t do this anymore. I was always focused on losing weight or at least trying to manage it. I was so terrified of putting any weight on. 

Ryann

I also think that that’s a huge piece that isn’t talked about a lot and that a lot of people who have never struggled with binge eating don’t understand where obviously my weight is changing because I’m binging like crazy and there’s this idea that either I don’t see it or I don’t care and one of the biggest things that I remember as my mom would talk about my weight changing I’m like you don’t think I understand like you think I like this like you think that I want this to be happening. This is what I think about all day long. Like I promise you I’ll have to bring it up. This is my entire life.

Kylee

Exactly. Yep, it’s always on your mind. No need to talk any more about it.

Ryann

What was your rock-bottom moment? Like when did you change?

Kylee

It took me so long. I remember I got into the treatment and I was like everything’s gonna be fixed. Like I was so excited. I’m like my life is changing, yes. And then I still struggled for years after that. But I think it got to a point when life just started adding more and more responsibilities on and I’m like, I literally cannot control food like this anymore. I really can’t do this anymore. I’m over it. I’m terrified of what my body is going to do. But also I was really into intuitive eating. That’s really what sparked everything for me. And I’m like, I’ve never tried this approach. I’ve always been focused on dieting and restricting. So let’s do it. I’ve tried everything else at this point, it feels like. And that’s when I stopped trying to lose weight and started giving myself permission to eat other foods. Not that it was easy, but like that honestly kind of flipped things. I feel like not focusing so much on weight really helped me because that’s when I was really trying to control everything. I feel like once I graduated college, like that’s when I was like, things need to change. Like I can’t keep doing this anymore. So that’s kind of the moment that I knew I needed to switch things up. I couldn’t keep doing what I was doing. 

Ryann

What kind of treatment program did you go to? 

Kylee

Yeah, I did outpatient.

Ryann

Do you remember how long it was or was it more just I’m starting it and there’s not really an end date?

Kylee

I believe it was three months.

Ryann

And was it a combo of groups and individual?

Kylee

Yeah, the group was probably the most healing part. I feel like, because remember like what we kind of were talking about before, like you feel like nobody, you know, struggles with this and then you’re like, oh, like not that it’s like a happy moment, like it’s horrible that we, so many people struggle with this. You don’t feel alone anymore. So it’s healing. 

Ryann

I think that group is the biggest game-changer and I know for me personally, I mean, I had gone to therapy twice and clearly wasn’t ready, but I also think a huge element of that was if I don’t do what my therapist said and I continue to restrict or count calories, I’m only telling her and she can’t be mad at me, I’m paying her. But when I was going to group, I was like, well, everybody else is putting in the work or they’re getting all these wins, if I choose not to do this, that competitive part of me was almost like, but they’re getting better faster. And I want to make sure that I’m not the one that is just throwing in the towel. Like it’s not just me anymore. We’re doing this together.

Kylee

Yeah, it’s so true. Group is so important. Community is like a key factor in all of this, especially when you struggle with binge eating or just eating disorders in general.

Ryann

Yeah, so earlier you said you got in a new relationship that was healthy and that kind of prompted this. Tell me more about that.

Kylee

Him and his family, just beautiful people. They were just the best. They were so healthy, like such a safe environment. And I didn’t experience that growing up and that was just something I was always seeking. I didn’t feel loved. I felt very unlovable. So I think I was just carrying that wound and I didn’t have the safe environment to actually work on some of these things as well. So I think that was a big part of it too, just being around people that made me feel safe while I’m also working on things and just being with someone that was secure, I think helped me so much.And previously he did know about the struggles as well. 

Ryann

Okay, so it wasn’t like you had to lie about going to therapy and saying you were going to a friend’s house. He knew early. 

Kylee

No, he was super supportive. 

Ryann

Okay, I definitely had some moments of those.

Kylee

 Oh for sure. I was the type of girl that would be jumping from relationship to relationship again trying to fill that empty part of me that wanted to feel loved and in other relationships I would definitely be doing things like that.

Ryann

I want to go back to when you said, okay, so I started treatment and I immediately thought everything was going to be better. Jamala thought, I have to say, I was like, okay, I like signed all these papers, I think, for other people to hear. Why do you think that you still struggled, even though you were like signing up for a new program, and what helped you?

Kylee

Being completely honest, I wasn’t ready. I wasn’t ready to let go of restricting as my coping tool that was helping me get through things I wasn’t ready to kind of get through. That is really what I kind of came to terms with for a while. Like I wasn’t ready to let go. I honestly, I was always in therapy but I feel like I didn’t have any other, I never I never knew what was underneath. I never dig too deep because I was always focused on the food. So I needed to dig in a little bit deeper so I didn’t have proper tools for what was actually going on underneath. So I think once I learned a little bit more about what was actually maybe causing the binges or also just what the binges were giving me, I think helped me the most. 

Ryann

What do you feel like throughout the treatment program that you went to and then all of the work that you did, what were some of the things that made the biggest difference in your binging? Like what really helped stop it? 

Kylee

The treatment program helped me so much because it helped me be more consistent with eating. Like before I was pretty restrictive. So that was super helpful and I saw changes with that. But then I also like the community aspect and trying to be more open with people about what was going on. And then also therapy I think was so huge and just so needed, especially for, you know, everyone’s reasons might be different, but for what was going on with me, like I really needed to dig in deeper to everything. 

Ryann

Yeah, yeah. How did you find a therapist or how did you pick out your treatment program? 

Kylee

My mom did. So my mom found me a therapist that was close to us that wasn’t connected to the treatment center that I would see pretty regularly and she was awesome. I love her so much. She was a wonderful therapist. I’ve always loved therapists. And then from there my mom picked out my treatment center. It was whatever was closest to us I think is kind of what she went for.

Ryann 

Yeah, mine was the same because at that time, there was none of the online stuff that there is now. Do you think that if you had access to the online stuff, it would have changed things for you?

Kylee

Yeah, I would say so. I feel like it’s also dependent on the person. I am like how I used to be. At least I was very shy. And I was just, you know, introverts different than that, but just to myself, and I feel like I would have not spoke up if I was behind the screen just knowing me, but I think it can be super powerful for other people that are more open and just like, they’re ready to dive into it. But where I was I was very reserved. I didn’t want to speak about anything. I just, I was just kind of there.

Ryann

 I felt like. I mean, there’s so much shame around it. It’s like, how can I tell you that I do all of these behaviors and not feel like you’re going to judge me or totally look at me differently? 

Kylee

Exactly. Yep.

Ryann

What made you decide that you wanted to be a dietitian? Like how did it go into that?

Kylee

I was kind of back and forth with what I wanted to do, but at first what led me to be a dietitian was again, I was really obsessive with burning calories and losing weight and working out. That’s where I wanted to go with it was, okay, I’m going to help people lose weight. I’m going to help people eat this way. And then I had an eating disorder. So then I realized that probably just wasn’t going to work out. And then once I recovered, I was like, if I ever recover, this is what I’m going to do. And that’s what led me into it was, again, my own struggles pretty much. 

Ryann

How did you learn about all of the elements of food, like in a much more specific way and not have that refuel obsession? 

Kylee

It was really hard when I think about it. No one in my program knew about my eating disorder, but I was still struggling during that time when I was in school with all of it and just learning more about it. But in the back of my mind, I’m like, I struggle with all of this. Like, I’m really struggling with this. And I felt like it was honestly really hard to kind of separate the two because I wanted to be more extreme. I wanted to eat this way. I wanted to be really, again, good with my eating, you know. But then another part of me is so out of control with food. I felt like, am I even supposed to be a dietician? Like that kind of was my thought. I’m like, should I even do this? Like, I’m so out of control with food. How could I help someone else work past this stuff?

Ryann

So what helped you through that belief?

Kylee

Just being really honest, I feel like I was so far into my program, I’m like, I’m going to finish this. I’m like, I am too close to the finish line. I’m going to do it. And then, you know, just God bless that I recovered.

Ryann

Yeah. Yeah. So for anybody listening who is kind of in the trenches of binge eating right now. What is the best advice that you could give them that really helped you?

Kylee

I would say, I feel like sometimes I say this a lot and I always said this to myself honestly nothing is wrong with you, even though it feels like this so much. It feels like you’re so out of control, you have no willpower, all of these different things, but in reality, it is helping you with something. Trying to take it from that lens instead. Not that it always has to be like that, but again, self-compassion throughout this whole process is so important. And if you keep beating yourself up, it’s going to make things worse. And I know it’s not easy, but I always say too, how would you treat your loved one, you know, if they were struggling with this as well, and try to take that perspective in. If nothing is wrong with you, it is just helping you get through some other stuff that maybe we just don’t know right now and that’s okay.

Ryann

That was so beautiful. I know that one of the hardest things when I see my clients going through this, when I went through this, I’m sure the same for you and your clients, is that it feels so hard in the beginning that it’s like, is this really worth it? Like there are points where it’s like it almost feels easier to just dive in, dive in, than to do all of this work right now. So what are some of the benefits that you’ve got from recovery? Like what do you get out of your life now that you would have never gotten?

Kylee

Yeah, that’s an amazing question. Honestly, so much, so much. It’s been the best thing I could have ever done. Like I feel so free. I feel like I can really focus in my life in all the areas that I want to. It’s being closer with my friends. I was so distant from everyone. I was isolating. Like, I’m able to build deeper relationships and that’s something in me, you know, in the core of me I’ve always wanted. And then also get closer with my family, but also be passionate about other things, get into other things. Don’t have my mind consumed with food all the time. Like being able to just live in a way that I really want to live, I feel like has been the hugest thing. You get to really know yourself from a place that isn’t just consumed with food. Like who are you actually without the food and without working out for punishment, you know, however it shows up. The freedom, literally the freedom in every area of my life.

Ryann

Yeah, and the freedom to explore that question of who you are and that can feel really scary, but it can also be such a beautiful thing where it’s like, I’m gonna go find out.

Kylee

Yeah.

Ryann

I love it. So in honor of the Food Freedom Lab, what does food freedom mean to you?

Kylee

Food freedom means to me living a life that you genuinely wanna live, being able to do what you really wanna do and eat foods that feel good for you but also that are just so delicious without any guilt at all because it’s okay to eat these things.

Ryann

What are some of your favorite foods? 

Kylee

Still ice cream. I love it. Moose tracks specifically. I love it. 

Ryann

I am too and the kind of person and my husband always is like you are the weirdest person ever. I’m like I need things in my ice cream. Like I don’t just want plain ice cream. Like even if it’s an amazing flavor, he is like, I love salted caramel. I’m like, okay, salted caramel is great, but I need things in it. Like I want some pretzels in it, I want a brownie in it. 

Kylee

Right. It adds a little bit of spice in there, you know, it makes it more exciting.

Ryann

Yeah. Kylie, for those that want to connect with you, learn from you, learn more about your story, where can they find you?

Kylee

Yes, everyone can find me. My Instagram is at eating.with.kindness. And then my TikTok is also the same at eating.with.kindness. 

Ryann

Yay! And I’ll have those links in the show notes below. Thank you so much again for coming on and being so raw and vulnerable. I know that old little me would have gotten so much out of this and I just so appreciate all the work that you’re doing and just thank you for being here.

Kylee

You’re so welcome. Thank you for having me on your podcast and thank you for just doing all of this. I know it’s so helpful for everyone. of this. I know it’s so helpful for everyone.

Ryann

Amazing!